Psy-Ops

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  • #4143
    Morpheus
    Morpheus
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    Propaganda Psy-Op? “Worldwide Wave of Action”. The “Global Spring” Begins

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/propaganda-psy-op-worldwide-wave-of-action-the-global-springbegins/5372295

    I plan to post more on other types py-ops including limited hangouts and gatekeepers.

  • #4177
    Tenma13
    Tenma13
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    I read a book on anonymous recently and they are mainly kids having fun, with a small number of hardcore hackers that have degrees of involvement, essentially operating under a cell structure. Lolz Sec. seemed to comprise the most skilled in terms of hacking capabilities. Most are in jail or turned snitch, and the really impressive stuff was gained from very skilled solo lone wolf type hackers.

    To directly address the info you posted, maybe, but TV/movies/video games offer such a great distraction, plus most people are so over worked and atomised that extremely elaborate ploys seem unnecessary. My gut reaction to the link posted is much the same way I react to ‘Prison Planet’ or illuminati conspiracy theories; why have them when elites can do things so blatantly in plain site?

    • #4250
      Morpheus
      Morpheus
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      @tenma13

      I have my own opinions on anonymous and would be happy to share, but you might know my thoughts after reading on.

      TV/movies/video games offer such a great distraction, plus most people are so over worked that extremely elaborate ploys seem unnecessary.

      These are just a few of the distractions we are offered and gladly accept. We should also add to the list sports, celebs, and now social media like Facebook. What an Orwellian world we live in where we gladly give all of our personal information including photos and videos of ourselves and all of our friends directly to the corporate and intelligence communities that can then profit off that same information while they setup the ideal control grid.  Now we are lining up to buy our very own tracking device we carry everywhere that even has its own fingerprint scanner to ensure integrity.

      However, even with all of the distractions and along with the pharmaceuticals and fluoride people consume to keep them dumb and numb, pysops seem to be necessary because they are still used and seem to work quite well. While the “elites” may be able to do a great number of things, I think they much prefer to have people welcome or even demand their own enslavement, war, gun control, carbon taxes or any other thing so desired. Sometimes they fail and they try again with another method – TARP bailout fails, crash the market, approve the bill.  Since these tactics are employed to manipulate people, knowing how they work allows you not to be duped.

      The most common one used is the False Flag. I think if we tried to list all the times the US alone used this tactic, it would be a long list. Most people are shocked to learn the “Underwear Bomber” that rolled out the cancer cans to travel by air was one of these operations. The real questions remain: Who’s operation was it and what was the real purpose? Sometimes the “elites” cooperate, sometimes they compete and sometimes they attack each other.

      Another one you find often is the Left Gatekeeper. While it is not an “event” like the False Flag, it is more of an ongoing operation likely developed from Operation Mockingbird because placing and developing an asset can take a long time. They do work really well as they have established credibility and can continue to draw people to them with their coverage of social issues and sometimes appear to have “harsh” critique of the establishment or its actions. Great examples of this today are Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! (I’ve coined it Hypocrisy Now!), Noam Chomsky or The Nation Magazine. There are many others, some more sophisticated and some less, but they are usually easy to snuff out by looking at their funding sources or checking on their coverage of issues on 911. There are more difficult and complicated issues like AGW and chemtrails that tend to reveal others. The key to a successful gatekeeper is that they cover some issues really well (social issues are often an easy one) so they seem genuine but it is what they don’t cover or they dismiss when questioned about it. If not for outlets like Pacifica Radio Network, Democracy Now and Free Speech Radio News, the wars in Syria and Libya would have been much more difficult to sell to the left to get their support.

      Cognitive Infiltration is one that is now openly discussed and employed to control movements. Cass Sunstein openly admits to wanting to derail the 911 truth movement using it. We can also observe how this was used to steer, marginalize and then eliminate the Occupy movement.

      The harder one to successfully identify is the Limited Hangout. Not only do these types of operations provide cover like the Left Gatekeeper, but they also are usually designed to accomplish or cover for something bigger. An example would be, Hitler beat his dog. While beating his dog is reprehensible, he obviously committed many and much larger crimes. Your focus is intentionally directed so you don’t see other issues. Dr. Tarpley lays this out well in his article below but this technique can been seen in areas other than geopolitics. I think it is also being with the aerosol/chemtrail program but that is for another post.

      We should also look for combinations of these techniques as possibly seen with the recent disclosure of the taped conversations in Turkey about a Syria False Flag.

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      • #4302
        Tenma13
        Tenma13
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        repost… when I post it seems out of sync….. :(

        Agree with most of what you said bar the following:

        – While history is littered with false flag attacks, the most recent one’s didn’t require any real degree of specialist planning: WMDs were blatantly not found in Iraq, and I assume this is widely understood to be complete BS. Why make elaborate schemes when Colin Powel waving a teaspoon around will do? The more elaborate a plan, the more opportunity it has to go astray.

        re: Noam Chomsky (massive fanboy here, as he started me down the rabbit hole). With titles like ‘Manufacturing Consent’ and ‘Hedmonamy or Survival’ and several books on Anarchism, it’s impossible to argue he is in league with anyone. Anarchism is the mirror opposite of our current inverted totalitarianism. To argue for the one thing that has the potential to bring the current paradig to it’s knees, and then be a stooge seems extreme IMHO.

        • #4309
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          Mrs Cog
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          @tenma13

          It’s not you. Many replies in the forum do not seem to post to the correct space. The forum system is buggy. The developers of bbPress are aware and we are waiting on upgrades from the Matrix. Cog and I try to pop in and look at all new forum activity and when we see comments out of order or not nesting properly we can go in the back end and edit their placement. You can always shoot me a message under contact Webmaster (under the Membership drop down menu in the top nav bar) and I can rearrange stuff as soon as I get back to my computer. :-)

          • #4356
            Disenchanted
            Disenchanted
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            Until it’s fixed I noticed that if you reply to a topic and it lands in the wrong order, just hit the the edit button and then hit submit again and it will ‘magically’ then be in the right position.

            FWIW  – I too think of Chomsky as a “left gatekeeper” he becomes almost unhinged when someone questions the official story on 9/11. Why is it that a “leftist” such as Chomsky is so interested in defending what was basically a Bush Jr. Administration(and neo-con)narrative? It boggles the mind. If you doubt me, just look up some youtube videos of Chomsky responding to people who ask him about the veracity of the official 9/11 story. I doubted it from day one, no need for ‘9/11 truthers’ here.

            "There is a dream dreaming all of us." ~ Kalahari Bushmen

          • #4386
            Tenma13
            Tenma13
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            @ Mrs COg. Cheers for heads up :)

        • #4480
          The Urban Pepper
          The Urban Pepper
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          @ Morpheus  Great thread. Are they moving faster now? or is it our awareness?

          • #4498
            Morpheus
            Morpheus
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            @The Urban Pepper

            Thank You. I feel it is an important topic to discuss and explore as it impacts so many of the issues/puzzles we face and some of us are trying to understand. Also, the intelligence agencies and propaganda machines have had lots of practice and experience so they are really good at it.

            To answer your question, I think yes, it is both. I think more people are waking up and hence the need for more and complicated pysops, like moving from 1st generation Color Revolution to second generation. One of the many ways these operations morph.

            Things do seem to be moving faster whether you look at the monetary destruction and collapse of countries throughout the world to the rise of fascism and totalitarianism. This is not a coincidence but rather a controlled demolition. The question is why are “they” behaving this way and what is scaring them. Is it an on planet problem or off?

            More questions.

  • #4366
    Morpheus
    Morpheus
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    @disenchanted

    I first got rustled awake when I read A People’s History of the US by Howard Zinn. Both Zinn and Chomsky do good work on many issues, but on some of the larger and deeper issues like 911, they either ignore it or many of the relevant facts. If it wasn’t for the two of them supporting the Warren Commission report and the silly “magic bullet” theory, it likely would not have been able to make it through the media, especially the “left” leaning outlets like the Washington Post and the NY Times.

    Here is Chomsky on 9/11: “Who cares?”: http://youtu.be/TwZ-vIaW6Bc?t=6m1s, the entire video is worth watching as he stumbles around for answers. For an intellect like Chomsky to address it in this way is revealing.

    For me, 911 is the critical event of this generation and is an easy way to identify those who have some other agenda or influence.

  • #4387
    Tenma13
    Tenma13
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    I think ‘who cares’ is too flippant, but I agree with his premise 100%. It’s not important in terms of the overall state of affairs. What do we gain if we can categorically prove it was an inside job? Are people all of a sudden going to rise up and over-throug their governments?

    re: Chomsky being a gatekeeper. Pick up any of his books and this notion it couldn’t be further from the truth. He describes himself as an anarchist, a standpoint that calls for the removal of all forms of control and authority… What more do you want from the man ?

    eg:

    Noam Chomsky: Well, anarchism is, in my view, basically a kind of tendency in human thought which shows up in different forms in different circumstances, and has some leading characteristics. Primarily it is a tendency that is suspicious and skeptical of domination, authority, and hierarchy. It seeks structures of hierarchy and domination in human life over the whole range, extending from, say, patriarchal families to, say, imperial systems, and it asks whether those systems are justified. It assumes that the burden of proof for anyone in a position of power and authority lies on them. Their authority is not self-justifying. They have to give a reason for it, a justification. And if they can’t justify that authority and power and control, which is the usual case, then the authority ought to be dismantled and replaced by something more free and just. And, as I understand it, anarchy is just that tendency. It takes different forms at different times.

    taken from: http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/noam-chomsky-kind-anarchism-i-believe-and-whats-wrong-libertarians

  • #4391
    Disenchanted
    Disenchanted
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    Chomsky:

    Primarily it is a tendency that is suspicious and skeptical of domination, authority, and hierarchy. It seeks structures of hierarchy and domination in human life over the whole range, extending from, say, patriarchal families to, say, imperial systems, and it asks whether those systems are justified.

    Yet he falls right in line with the imperial system re: 9/11. How anarchist is that? The ‘authorities’ tell us here’s what happened on 9/11.  Chomsky saying “who cares” among other things he’s said on the subject, is telling me to just believe the authorities and shut the f__ up.

    Yes I think 9/11 does still matter. All the wrong directions this country has taken since that day have been justified by IMHO lies. For someone like Chomsky to say “Who cares?” is to me very telling. It’s not just Chomsky I have a problem with, there are many who claim to be on the ‘right’ who are just as guilty of gatekeeping.

    I have my own conclusion as to why someone like Chomsky toes the line on 9/11 …lets just say some loyalties run deeper and override all others.

    "There is a dream dreaming all of us." ~ Kalahari Bushmen

  • #4394
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    Yowie
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    Not sure about that loyalty.  I think it’s more a loyalty to his own continued ability to draw a breath.  That’s the problem with radical atheism – there’s ultimately nothing you’d die for, not even the truth. Am I being too harsh?

    • #4396
      Disenchanted
      Disenchanted
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      re: “his own continued ability to draw a breath.”

      or OTOH, to draw a ‘paycheck’or whatever way he profits from posing as anti-establishment.

      That’s probably what’s kept most of the other experts/professionals on the reservation.

      "There is a dream dreaming all of us." ~ Kalahari Bushmen

      • #4397
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        Yowie
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        Yup, there’s the filthy lucre angle as well. I fear you may be right.

  • #4442
    Tenma13
    Tenma13
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    The next line is:

    And if they can’t justify that authority and power and control, which is the usually case, then the authority ought to be dismantled and replaced by something more free and just.

    The ‘authorities’ tell us here’s what happened on 9/11. Chomsky saying “who cares” among other things he’s said on the subject, is telling me to just believe the authorities and shut the f__ up.Yes I think 9/11 does still matter. All the wrong directions this country has taken since that day have been justified by IMHO lies. For someone like Chomsky to say “Who cares?” is to me very telling. It’s not just Chomsky I have a problem with, there are many who claim to be on the ‘right’ who are just as guilty of gatekeeping.

    Unfortunately I think you’ve missed the point here. He’s saying it does not matter in that regardless of whether or not 9/11 happened, business would continue as usual. Take a look at history since the US’s inception and the only real significance of 9/11 is that is was one of a few instance where violence was commented against, rather than by, the US. It is sad that people lost their lives, but 9/11 is not unique in this respect. At no point does he advocate shutting up. As you surely can see by his actions over the last 50 years.

    What your doing is taking a single sound bite from an interview, ignoring the rest and everything lee the guy might have said and then saying ‘he thinks x’. They do that on Fox news a lot. Imagine if you only took a CD quote from the forums with no exposure to any of his other written pieces, and then said ‘CD thinks x’.

    Bottomline is that Chomsky has been consistent from the very beginning (Vietnam war era) in his: 1) opposition to power and 2) his belief in anarchism. If you watch enough of his videos, read enough of his books you’ll see this.He has been active in a number of central American human rights groups, and those in Palestine. This is not the run for the hills approach, but tackling the problem head on. This was before any of us even had a clue, and would have denounced him as a heretic/unamerican. I think this deserves respect, as in my eyes he talks the talk and walks the walk and has done for a very long time. Yes he worked at MIT as a linguistic professor, but on numerous occasions he’s criticised his employer. Ok so he’s not living in a off grid compound, now he’s suspect?

    Also, who cares if he is a gatekeeper? I obviously don’t think he is, but how does identifying him as such really matter? I suspect it is an attempt at divide and conquer by authorities trying to control a dissident, but if we suddenly found out he was, how does that help? So many of these conspire theories, or magical belief systems are excellent at distracting folks from the critical issues and burring time.

  • #4500
    Disenchanted
    Disenchanted
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    Innocents are still dying in the name of 9/11. Fox News? Worthless agenda driven trash, same as all the rest of the three and four letter networks.

    At Zero Hedge when David Pierre shows up on a Jim Quinn article for the umpteenth time to try to keep the 9/11 issue alive(usually by posting that link to the Corbett Report re: 9/11), I try to make sure I’m there to give DP a +1. I don’t care what has-been darling of the ‘left’ or the ‘right’  steps forward to label those who question the official narrative of 9/11 as kooks or conspiracy theorists. All that does for me is to make me question the veracity of what previously made them  darlings.

    Chomsky interview quotes:

    ZNet Sustainer:Considering the long history of false flag operations to wrongly justify wars, our most recent precedent being WMD in Iraq, The Gulf of Tonkin in Vietnam, going back much further to Pearl Harbor (FDR knowingly allowing the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor ­ which is different from false flag operations), to the 1898 Spanish-American War, to the 1846 Mexican-American War, to Andrew Jackson’s seizing of Seminole land in 1812 (aka Florida).

    Noam Chomsky: The concept of “false flag operation” is not a very serious one, in my opinion. None of the examples you describe, or any other in history, has even a remote resemblance to the alleged 9/11 conspiracy. I’d suggest that you look at each of them carefully.

    ZNet Sustainer: Lastly, as the world’s leading terror state, would it not surprise anyone if the US was capable of such an action? Would it surprise you? Do you think that so-called conspiracy theorists have anything worthy to present?

    Noam Chomsky: I think the Bush administration would have had to be utterly insane to try anything like what is alleged, for their own narrow interests, and do not think that serious evidence has been provided to support claims about actions that would not only be outlandish, for their own interests, but that have no remote historical parallel. The effects, however, are all too clear, namely, what I just mentioned: diverting activism and commitment away from the very serious ongoing crimes of state.

    originally at: http://blog.zmag.org/node/2779

     

    Hells bells man, much of the present ongoing crimes of the US State are being justified and excused by what supposedly happened on 9/11. But we are not to question that, because many ‘experts’ and authorities told us so? I’m sorry but Chomsky’s position on this matter just does not pass my personal smell test.

    I happened to be home the day of 9/11/2001 and I saw the Peter Jennings interview(ABC?) with the man(presented as a ‘terrorism expert’) by the name of Jerome Hauer formerly of Kroll and at the time working within that stooge Giuliani’s Mayoral regime. This Hauer is a neo-con, PNAC insider and I already knew who and what he was affiliated with. So while the smoke and dust of the WTC tower’s collapse was still rising into the air that morning, this Hauer dude laid out the framework of the official narrative. All before any sort of legitimate investigation, forensic or otherwise, could have occured. My son-in-law happend to be there with me and I looked at him and said “You know this is all a load of happy horseshit don’t you? “They had this story made up before the event happened.” Just as the Patriot Act laws were already written beforehand, and the military operations pre-planned. Nothing has happened to change my mind since.

    More apropos of Morpheus’ thread:

    Psy-War: The Real Battlefield Is In Your Mind

     

    btw Morpheus thanks for the email with the links from your Space Weather topic, I’m using my Opera browser to look at them and it seems to be up to the job. I agree with CAF’s take on the Mozilla issue. Thanks for that tidbit as well. I’ll try to compose a response to your email later.

    "There is a dream dreaming all of us." ~ Kalahari Bushmen

    • #4502
      Disenchanted
      Disenchanted
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      Since I brought up the Hauer/Jennings interview above, here is what I was referring to…or portions of it contained in this video. I was wrong, it wasn’t Jennings. It was Jerome Hauer with Dan Rather on CBS. What I’m talking about begins around the 4  or 5 minute mark in. He was also on with Jennings either before or after this interview.

      The 9-11 Solution: How the Myth Was Sold(Brasscheck TV)

       

      Also since the original link to the Chomsky interview I referred to above is dead, Rense still has it in full…or at least a larger portion of it here:

      Chomsky Dismisses 911 Conspiracy Theories As ‘Dubious'<span style=”font-size: xx-small;”>
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      http://rense.com/general74/dismiss.htm

      "There is a dream dreaming all of us." ~ Kalahari Bushmen

    • #4892
      Zenscreamer
      Zenscreamer
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      Thanks for the video link Disenchanted!

      Watching this really felt like a needed inoculation before the Boston Marathon “anniversary” coverage that has been ramping up around here.

      The last wave of conceptual framework I have been dealing with has to do with the idea of “materialization” as a function of thought & intention — the upshot being that there is a very real 3-dimensional payoff for the status quo in successful entrainment of the masses: harnessed creative power in sustaining the self-same status quo.

      This begs the question: what is gained by the status quo in perpetuating a meme of fear and vulnerability enmeshed with “the spirit to overcome all obstacles?”

      • #4908
        On the Beach
        On the Beach
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        My thoughts.

        1. Fear is used to keep you doing what they want you to do and not what you might want or need to do.

        2. Fear, suffering and pain is a food for some entities, the same way happiness makes most of us feel good and encourages us to do more of whatever. This won’t be an acceptable idea to most people. It’s not very acceptable to me but I think it might be a real fact.

        3. The guys at the top of governmental structures are all psychopaths and do not care a bit about anything other than what they want right now. They all know that peak everything is a reality and know that 50% of people alive are going to have to die anyway. They have no feelings about that at all as long as they are not part of the group that has to die.

  • #8301
    duc888
    duc888
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    “I plan to post more on other types py-ops including limited hangouts and gatekeepers.”

     

    I learned the hard way.  I was a member of a web site for about 5 years…….never could figure out why the owner of the site “reversed” the order of ownership…..re: evil parasitic relationship between US FEDGOV and the FED….as well as avoiding the facts about 911.

    So in an answer to another posters question I threw up a link that was really extensively researched (with the hard intel provided by a few overseas intel organizations as well as Physicists at Sandia labs) regarding what exactly would / did melt granite bedrock under the Twin towers as well as turn concrete into molten rivers of rock.

     

    So anyway, I had been following the thought process disclosure of intel / information on a third web site for about 5 months….and merely posted a link and whammo…member for 5+ years…. “gone”

     

    So yes, sometimes you’ll find gate keepers in some strange place.

    All of life is just lessons.

  • #8878
    duc888
    duc888
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    hmmmm   methinks Cog very recently shot one across the bow (of a gatekeeper) on ZH yesterday.

     

    Hat’s off to you!

    All of life is just lessons.

    • #8879
      Morpheus
      Morpheus
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      I didn’t read all of the comments but did see a few of those terms thrown at him. Which one are you referring to? Curious minds want to know. :)

  • #8881
    duc888
    duc888
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    ….seems to me and I may be mistaken here but Cog sez  look at the thought process.   Breaking it down further, watch how people steer a thread.  Another poster on ZH nailed it.  Watch how some bloggers shut the information stream down.

     

    That’s condensing his well thought out and lengthy prose into one sentence.

     

    I may be mistaken but that’s what I got out of Cogs essay.

     

    Through my journey of finding truth, I tend to look into the mud puddles that other folks try to avoid by walking over..  So far it has served me well.  From what I see there is Truth, and there is “everything else”.

    All of life is just lessons.

  • #8882
    duc888
    duc888
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    I will clarify my previous post.  The gatekeeper was not on ZH but another blogger.

     

    Sorry for the mis type.

    All of life is just lessons.

    • #8883
      Morpheus
      Morpheus
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      Thanks. No worries, you can also go back and edit your posts. I sometimes find errors in my own once reading them posted.

  • #9491
    duc888
    duc888
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    Here is a very very long but important interview.   Although Mr Bennett at about 2 hour 28 minutes shows some alarming  gullibility that is stunning (regarding Fox  Nooz),  but still,  for the most part like the recent Stew Webb  / Gordon Duff interviews,  comes through in a stellar manner and  names names.  Some very heavy hitters.  Snowden and many others….

    This explains quite a bit of what is going on in the geopolitical world stage.  First 30-40  minutes is a bit dry, just building up his background and credentials…..but after that it gets very interesting.

     

     

    All of life is just lessons.

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